I am sure that this post from a good friend of mine, Mark Hoppe, will bore some folks [who don't have the Holy Spirit to digest these heavy but important things], and it's a long read -- but rich as pure gold, IMHO. It's Mark's reply to a question/ email that I sent him. It really sets things straight and knocks down false, un-scriptural teachings that 'some folks' have tried to push onto me -- 'that God is all done with His dealings of the Jewish people and Israel.' I am blessed to have good friends like Mark Hoppe. Thank you!
Shall we turn in our Bibles to Romans, chapter 11.
In chapters 9-11 Paul is dealing with a couple of subjects; one the sovereignty of God, but it is the sovereignty of God in setting aside the nation Israel as God's primary target, you might say for work, and beginning to pour out His Spirit and work among the Gentiles. Because Paul is a Jew through and through, his heart, his prayer for Israel is that they might be saved, and yet, he can see in the scriptures those prophecies of God's move among the Gentiles. In the later portion of chapter 10, he gives some of those prophecies of how God was going to be found of them that did not seek for Him; He was going to manifest Himself unto the Gentiles, but of the Jew He said, "All day long have I stretched out my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people."
Chapter 11 is really just a continuation of chapter 10. The chapter distinctions were not in the original writings; they have been placed there by men to help us to reference the scriptures, to reference passages, but sometimes we have a tendency of just reading a chapter and quitting and then beginning a new chapter and you are not continuing in the same thought as though there were not the chapter or verse distinction. You must remember that in the original this was just one continuous letter. Chapter and verse distinction distinguishing facts are placed there by man only for the help in referencing passages.
God has said He was going to manifest Himself unto the Gentiles. He has stretched out His hand all day long to the disobedient and gainsaying people.
I say then, Has God cast away his people? [The answer is] God forbid (Rom 11:1).
Now it is unfortunate that there is a certain branch of theologians today who do declare that God has cast away His people. They endeavor to spiritualize Israel to make it apply to the church, and those prophecies that relate to Israel they seek to relate to the church. And as a consequence, they really get the whole prophetic picture totally confused. There are those who seek to identify the Anglo-Saxon nations as Israel. There is a lot of talk of the ten lost tribes, which is not really a true scriptural type of a reference. He said the lost sheep of the house of Israel, sent them to the lost sheep, but He didn't say anything about ten lost tribes. But just those who were lost, the lost sheep in the house of Israel. The Lord knows exactly where the twelve tribes are and who comprises the twelve tribes. And in the book of the Revelation the Lord will be sealing 12,000 out of each tribe to preserve them through a portion of the judgments in the book of Revelation. But again, to try to make the church Israel or to make the Anglo-Saxon's race Israel is just unscriptural and is not valid at all.
They use such arguments as the nation of Denmark they say is actually, Dan mark, actually the tribe of Dan, or the Danish people. The word ish in Hebrew means man, so Danish, so they are Danish people or Danish people according to pronunciation and, of course, you have the British, and foolish, so it doesn't really prove too much. But it does confuse the whole prophetic scene. God is now working among the Gentiles, and God will continue to work among the Gentiles until the fullness of the Gentiles is come in, when we get to Romans 11:25.
So the question is, has God cast away His people? Is He through with them forever? God forbid. The whole prophecy picture of the Old Testament dealt with Israel's fall, but in order that they might rise again. Hosea was an interesting prophet. God told him to take a prostitute for a wife, and he began to name the children with prophetic names or names of prophetic significance. And, of course, the one child he called Lo-ammi, which means not my child. His wife had gone out and was engaging in her old practices again even while married to him, and had a child that wasn't his. And finally she just left him completely and her life went down the tube. Until she was a slave, almost destitute and destroyed, and God said to Hosea, "Go take her again, buy her out of her slavery, wash her up, cleanse her, and take her as your wife once more." And the whole life of Hosea with this unfaithful wife became a picture of God's relationship with the nation of Israel, how He took her, espoused her unto Himself, married her, the glories of that first bloom of love. But then how Israel began to turn away unto other gods. They began to forsake the fountains of living waters and worship idols. And how they finally turned their back on God completely, but yet, God's undying love and, of course, bringing them back again, and God's work of restoration, which is yet future but shall be.
So God has not cast away His people in a final sense, for Paul said,
I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin (Rom 11:1).
Now Benjamin was one of the supposed lost tribes, but it sure wasn't as far as Paul was concerned, he knew what tribe he was from. He didn't say, "We Benjamites," you know, "We are lost; we don't know who we are or where we are." But he knew that he was of the tribe of Benjamin.
Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, and they say that the Jews today are for the most part from the tribe of Judah. However, other tribes were lost, Judah and Benjamin remain, but the rest of them were lost. Not so. That is not the case. So most Jews today have lost their genealogies and could not tell you exactly what tribe they are from, yet they know they are Jews.
Paul of the tribe of Benjamin and,
God has not cast away his people which he foreknew. Don't you know what the scripture said in and of Elijah? that how when he was making intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed your prophets, and tore down thy altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what did the Lord answer him? I have reserved for myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed their knee to the image of Baal (Rom 11:2-4).
Elijah had experienced one of the greatest victories in his career as he had challenged the prophets of Baal there on Mount Carmel, building the altars, "Let's pray unto their gods," the four hundred priests of Baal. "You can pray to them and I will pray to the living God, and the god that answers by fire let him be the God." And, of course, the priests of Baal prayed and nothing happened, and Elijah prayed and God sent down fire and consumed the offering and the altar and all. Elijah took the priests of Baal and at that moment of victory down to the brook Kishon and slayed them. Killed four hundred of them, the prophets and priests of Baal. And the next day when Jezebel, the wife of the wicked king, found out what Elijah had done, she said, "God do so to me also if I don't have the head of that man." So Elijah fled from Jezebel.
It is so typical how that the times of greatest trial often follow the times of greatest victory. Thus with Elijah, tremendous victory, but now he is running from this queen--not afraid to face up to the four hundred prophets and priests of Baal, but one angry woman and he ran clear on down to the area of Mount Sinai, and there he hid in a cave. And as he was standing in the entrance of the cave, the Lord said, "Elijah what are you doing here?" He said, "I have been zealous for God, and they have all turned from You, and I am the only one You have left, and they are seeking my life. God, You are just about out of business; I am Your last one and they have got a contract out on me."
God responded to Elijah, "I have 7,000 who have not bowed their knee to Baal." There was the remnant, the faithful remnant that were there, and God knew who they were, and God had them numbered. As Paul is going to point out, God has always had His faithful remnant--those believers among the Jewish people, those special persons, super special persons among the Jewish people who have recognized the true work of God and are walking with God in fellowship with Him. With God there have always been a special number, a remnant, the faithful remnant. So in the time of Elijah, Paul said, "Don't you remember that God said, 'There are 7,000 that I have reserved unto Me'?" The true remnant that worshipped God, that served God, that had not turned after Baal. Even so, Paul said,
At this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace (Rom 11:5).
There were those in Paul's day and, of course, the early church was a Jewish church to begin with. There was some problem when even it was thought that they might introduce Gentiles into the church. It was, first of all, strictly Jewish, but among the Jews there were many believers, the remnant, God's faithful remnant who now are according to the election of grace.
And it is now by grace, it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it is of works, then it is no longer grace (Rom 11:6):
In other words, grace and works are mutually exclusive. If I am expecting God to accept me by His grace, then there is no work that I can do to make me acceptable. If I am seeking to be accepted by God by my works, then grace has no affect upon my life. They are mutually exclusive, and yet, we are so often trying to make a combination out of the two. Saved by grace, but oh, you know, let me do my works. But if it is of grace, then it cannot be of works. But if it is of works, then it can't be of grace; they are mutually exclusive.
What then? Israel has not obtained that which it sought for; but the election have obtained it, and the rest were blinded (Rom 11:7)
Now, what was Israel seeking? They were seeking to be righteous before God. That was the whole purpose of the sacrifice of the law, in order to develop a righteous standing before God.
Now it is interesting that Paul makes reference here that they were seeking it by works. That continues to the present day, a Jew today is seeking to be accepted today on the basis of his good works. Yom Kippur is not a day of sacrifice, the priest entering in with the offering before the Lord in the Holy of Holies, but Yom Kippur is a day of reflection as you sat and you reflect upon your good works and upon your evil works and balancing the good works against the evil, so it is a seeking acceptance by God on the basis of works.
Paul speaks about them doing it in his day, and they are doing it to the present day--still seeking an acceptance by God on the basis of their works. The Jews are not alone in that, that same concept has crept over into church so that in many different churches there are people who are looking to their works as the basis of being accepted by God. "God will accept me if I am faithful to the ordinances of the church and the sacraments of the church, and if I am doing this and this." They are looking for acceptance on the basis of their good works.
When you are looking to your good works as the basis of your acceptance for God, surely that doesn't prompt a lot of works, so these people are real workers. They have a practice of going around, many of them from door to door. It is easy to tell the difference from where they're coming from. If they are riding bicycles and have shirts and ties, then, you know, they are working their way through the Mormon system. If they carry a little magazine bag, then you know that they are working their way through the Jehovah Witness. They are both systems that are predicated on works and looking to their works as the basis of being accepted.
If it is of works then it is no more of grace; it can't be of both. So Israel did not obtain that acceptance before God, that righteous standing, because they sought it by their works. Whereby their election did obtain it, the election of grace. But the rest were blinded.
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. David said (Rom 11:8-9),
Paul just starts passages of scriptures out of the Old Testament to prove his point. And this is good solid teaching when a man will make a statement and then give you three or four verses to confirm that statement. And so he first quotes from Isaiah, then he quoted from David, and he said,
Let their table be made a snare, a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them: let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back always. I say always then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? (Rom 11:9-11)
Have they stumbled that they should be put out of the game forever?
God forbid: but rather that through their fall there is come salvation unto the Gentiles, in order to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world (Rom 11:11-12),
In other words, by Israel falling out of the place of divine favor in the sense that now set them aside that He might work among the Gentiles, His work of Grace. Their being set aside brought to us the riches of God's grace, goodness and love unto the Gentiles.
the diminishing of them or the riches of the Gentiles; how much more will their fullness be? (Rom 11:12)
God is yet to work with them, and when the fullness comes and God begins to work again with Israel, if their fall brought such glory to the Gentile world, what will it be when God restores them, but of course the Kingdom Age, that glorious age to which we look.
For I speak unto you Gentiles, as much as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my office (Rom 11:13):
So Paul now turns to speak to the Gentiles, and he calls himself the apostle of the Gentiles. And Paul, of course, paid quite a price for this position as an apostle to the Gentiles; he had to take all types of guff from people, especially from the Jews. They considered him a traitor because he was telling the Gentiles that they didn't need to obey the law of Moses to be accepted by God. All they had to do was believe in Jesus Christ. He was telling the Gentiles that they did not have to offer sacrifices in the temple in order to be saved, all they had to do was believe in Jesus Christ and, of course, this created quite a conflict between those Jews who were still seeking a righteousness by the law. It was a threat to them, even as the declaration that a person could be saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone today is a threat to many churches and church systems.
I have a friend who was in the Anglican Church in Canada. He was a dean in one of the cathedrals there, and this man became born again, really turned on to the Lord. And he began to have prayer meetings with the Episcopalian or the Anglican Church there. And in these prayer meetings people really were beginning to experience the power of God and the Holy Spirit in their lives. The church was a very liberal church, and that was quite fine if that makes you feel good, more power to you, a very tolerant attitude. And then he started teaching the people that you have to be born again. He was kicked out because that was contrary to the basic church belief that you were born again when you were baptized as an infant and then later your confirmation, you were only confirming your salvation at infant baptism. And when he started saying you have go to be born again it created such a problem that he was dismissed from his church for teaching the people that you had to be born again. They were trusting in their works, infant baptism and confirmation, instead of just that faith in Jesus Christ.
Paul magnifying his position as an apostle as he sought:
to provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, that I might save some of them (Rom 11:14).
He was just really in his heart as he said, "My heart-felt prayer and desire for Israel is that they might be saved." Even though he was called of God as the apostle of the Gentiles, then was in all kinds of hot water for preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, declaring that the Gentiles could be saved, especially could be saved apart from becoming a Jew. They could be saved by just believing in Jesus Christ and they didn't have to proselytize and become a Jew, that made him a heretic, and for this reason they tried to kill him when he was in Jerusalem. But yet, Paul's desire and prayer for Israel was for their salvation. He goes on to say,
If the casting away of them was the reconciling of the world (Rom 11:15),
God reconciled the world to Himself through Jesus Christ. Not just the Jewish people, but now the world.
what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? (Rom 11:15)
Again dealing with the contrast from the lesser to the greater if their casting away brought such reconciliation of the world to God, the Gentile world, then what will it be when God receives them again and gives His divine favor and grace upon them?
For if the firstfruits be holy, the whole lump is also holy: and if the root is holy, so are the branches (Rom 11:16).
And, of course, the firstfruit Abraham, the patriarchs, the fathers, the root from which these people spread.
If some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and you have partaken of the root and the fatness of the olive tree; don't boast against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root thee. I will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; it was because of unbelief that they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Don't be high-minded, but fear (Rom 11:17-20):
There has been through history of the church a very unfortunate relationship between the church and the Jews, and unfortunately, the church has been responsible for much of the persecution of the Jews today. I think that is indeed tragic. That for years the Catholic Church led in the persecution of the Jews, and it was something when Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic Church, he carried with him his anti-Semitism, and Martin Luther also encouraged the persecution of the Jews.
It crept on into Protestantism. There are many Protestant ministers today who are very anti-Semitic. And I get hate mail from them because of my known position of support for Israel and for the Jews. There are those who would boast themselves against the natural branches, "God's cut them off, God is through with them; we are now the people." And he says, "Wait a minute, you are a wild olive branch and you have been grafted into the vine or into the tree, contrary to nature. And they were broken off because of their unbelief, and you are only standing by faith, so don't be so high-minded."
I do believe that as Paul, our hearts and desire and prayers for Israel, that they should be saved. Now that doesn't mean that I have a great burden to establish a Calvary Chapel in Jerusalem and to start a mission there to save the Jews. I do not feel that God has called me as an evangelist to the Jewish nation or to the Jewish people parse. God has called me to just teach His Word and that I am to do faithfully. However, I do not feel that I can undo what God has done, and that is why I don't have a burden for Jewish evangelism. And so in this I am neither fish or fowl, I get it from both sides because some people have a tremendous zeal for Jewish evangelism that I don't have. I believe that God will evangelize them when He is ready, and that God will graft them back in when He is ready, and that God will open their eyes when He is ready. In the meantime, God has poured out His grace, His Spirit upon the Gentiles, and thus, I like to fish where the fish are biting. And so, these are the fruitful fields among the Gentiles, and I really feel that, for the most part, Jewish evangelism is a waste of church finances that can be better used to evangelize the Gentiles at this time. And that when the day comes God Himself is going to reveal Himself to the Jewish nation, to Israel, and God is going to work there among them. So, I like to go over and provoke them to jealousy, and tell them how wonderful their Messiah is and what He has done for me, and how much I love Him, and how glorious it is to walk in fellowship with God, and to have peace with God and the joy of the Lord and all, and just what a glorious Messiah they have. And I like to provoke them to jealousy, but I am quite interested in them and I do share with them and I share my beliefs and my faith with them, but I am amazed at how blind they are. Because some of them are extremely knowledgeable in the Word of God, yet they are so totally blind when it comes to Jesus Christ. Blindness has happened to Israel and that is true.
When I was speaking a few years back at the International Congress in Jerusalem, sharing the platform with then Prime Minister Begin, I got some hate mail from some of the rabbis in the Meo Sharem area of Jerusalem, who are ultra orthodox, rebuking me for trying to support the nation of Israel with understanding from the Christians, because the purpose of the rally was to bring understanding to the Jews and the evangelical Christians, and these radical rabbis wrote me these letters rebuking me and telling me I had no business being there and Israel had no right to even exist as a nation because the Messiah had not yet come. They did not yet have their temple, and they were very opposed to the nation of Israel themselves. They lived there in the Meo Sharem district of Jerusalem, but they did write to King Hussin in Jordan and they asked him to annex the Meo Sharim into Jordan. They didn't want to have anything to do with the nation of Israel. They feel that it is sort of an illegitimate state right now. And so they wrote me these letters and all. So these guides that I had been talking to for so long and witnessing to, I said, "Hey fellows I want to show you..." They were so pleased. And, "It's so nice that you are here," and all this kind of stuff. And I said, "Look at what some of your rabbis sent me." And I gave them these hate letters that I had from the rabbis there. And they read it and said, "Oh, this is just junk. Those guys are just a bunch of religious fanatics. They don't know what they are talking about. They're just religious fanatics." And I said, "But they are rabbis." "Oh, but they're just religious fanatics." And I said, "You mean a rabbi can be a religious fanatic?" "Oh, ya, ya." "Have you ever stopped to think that it was probably those same kind of rabbis that rejected Jesus as the Messiah, because He didn't fit the patterns. A bunch of radicals, and yet, you today are following those radicals." They didn't have much to say. So I get my little witness in.
They were broken off because of their unbelief, and we only stand by faith.
For if God spared not the natural branch, take heed lest he also spare not thee (Rom 11:21).
Jesus said, "I am the true vine, My Father is the husbandman. Every branch in Me that bears fruit, He washes it that it might bring forth more fruit. Now you are clean through the Word that I have spoken unto you. Abide in Me, and let my words abide in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine, neither more can thee, except you abide in me" (John 15:1-5). Abide in Me, the emphasis of abiding. We are branches, and we have been grafted in contrary to nature. We receive the blessings of God, the blessings of the promises of God to Abraham and to David. We have received the benefit of them through receiving Jesus Christ, and we partake of the fatness and the richness and the fullness of God's love and grace that He had promised unto Abraham, unto Isaac, unto Jacob, and unto David. But we only stand by faith. And again, we are encouraged to abide there. "For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He does not spare thee."
Behold therefore the goodness and the severity of God: on them which fell (Rom 11:22),
It was quite severe upon the fall of Israel from the place of God's favor and blessings.
severity; but toward you, the goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also will be cut off. They also, if they abide not still in unbelief, will be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again (Rom 11:22-23).
When they turned from their unbelief, God will receive them again.
For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and you were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree (Rom 11:24);
You were cut out of this wild olive tree of the Gentile's race, and you were grafted into the good tree.
how much more shall these, which are the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that you to be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceit (Rom 11:24-25),
Ignorant of what mystery? That God is yet going to deal with the nation of Israel as the nation of Israel. And unfortunately, there are many people who are ignorant of that mystery, and many ministers ignorant of that ministry.
blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in (Rom 11:25).
God has sent His Spirit into the world, into the highways and byways, to compel men to come to the supper. As Jesus gave the parable, you know, the king prepared a great supper and they said, "Go out to the invited guests and invite them to come in and to eat." And the servants came back and they said, "Well, they said that they couldn't come," and the various excuses. So the king said, "Then go out to the highways and the byways and compel men to come in that my house may be full." The invited guest rejected the invitation, and so it has come to us, the Gentiles, and blindness has happened in part to Israel, not to all of Israel, again there is that remnant, but in part to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
I do believe that God knows exactly how many Gentiles are going to be brought into the wedding feast, that God knows the exact number. If He is an omniscient God, He has to know the exact number, because that means all knowledge; He knows everything. I do believe that God does know and does have a specified number of Gentiles that are going to believe and to be a part of that kingdom, and that number is referred to as the fullness of the Gentiles.
Now there is another phrase in Luke 21, the time of the Gentiles. That is a little different. I believe that the time of the Gentiles technically was over in 1967, for Jerusalem shall be trodden under foot of the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled. But since 1967. And now we are living in a short period of an age of grace between the time of the fulfillment of the Gentiles until the time of the fullness of the Gentiles is come in. Not all the Gentiles that were to be saved were saved in 1967, a lot of you weren't, God waited for you. But somewhere alive on the earth today is some person whom God has known, and he is the last one among the Gentiles to be a part of God's glorious eternal kingdom. The moment that person opens up his heart to Jesus Christ, we are all going to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. I am convinced of that. It is just like walking into Disneyland and having the lights flash, and the trumpets go off, and the drums roll, and they say, "You are the five millionth visitor to Disneyland," and everything is celebration. They have been counting the people as they have been coming through, and you are it. Now the big gala celebration, and such shall be the case when the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. I wish I knew who that person was. I think I would be tempted to do a little coercion. God has called out a people for Himself. I am so grateful that God has called me. I am so thankful that God chose me to be a part of His eternal kingdom. Oh, the goodness and the grace of God, that I was chosen in Christ, that I should be an heir in the kingdom of God. I thank God daily for that blessing, as you should thank God daily that He chose you.
Now, when the fullness of the Gentiles is come in, then the blindness will be taken away from Israel. I believe that this will transpire when Russia is defeated by God as she invades the Middle East. I received some reports from Israel this past week of the tensions that are building up as the result of Russia's deployment of the SS21's in Syria. Some of the military leaders there were declaring that this is a definite threat to Israel's security and will probably mean war with Syria very soon, knowing that war with Syria could very easily escalate into war with Russia. We do know that Russia is going to get involved and, of course, as the result of those tragedies today, the tensions are mounting in the Middle East. I would not be at all surprised but what we will not be forced to call on Israel to bail us out of Lebanon. I think that our government has made some serious miscalculations and some serious blunders in the decisions concerning the Middle East. It is like my friends in Israel say, "Those men sitting over in Washington don't know what is going on over here, nor do they understand the mentality of the people that we are dealing with."
The Syrian government recently released films of the young girls and boys in their training. These films, some of them, the ones concerning the girls were shown in Israel on television, but CBS and NBC, ABC, felt that they weren't really newsworthy. They really showed the kind of people we dealing with, and because this kind of news is withheld, we don't understand the mess we are in when we try to interfere with these people, because they don't think as we think. These particular films made by the Syrian government showing the training of the young girls for battle, for their army, and the Russians are now expanding their advisors to 8,000 in Syria.
But these pictures show these girls taking snakes and handling the snakes and so forth. They are in training in their service, and they begin to bite the snakes until their mouths are covered with blood, and then they began to eat the snakes--they roast them, then eat them after biting them to death. A bloody mess, and it was shown on Israeli TV. It's filmed out of Syria. The fellows, of course, they felt that the Israelis couldn't stomach this film, so they didn't show it, choking to death little dogs and ripping them apart. Part of their training in just being cold, calloused, vicious, and that is the kind of people we are dealing with, and we are not prepared to deal with people like that, because we can't understand how they think. And we send our Marines in there, and we restrict them and make them sitting ducks, and this is not right. The Israelis know it isn't right, but we have tied the Israeli's hands too, and they say, "If you are going to tie our hands, we aren't going to stay around; we are getting out of here." They move back behind the river where they can sit up defensible positions, and they said, "You can't treat the people that way, you can't stay there like that, they are just going to do murderous acts against you." They say, "We have got it all managed." But we don't understand the mentality of the people we are dealing with. It is a very tragic thing, but Russia is going to be moving into the Middle East, and when Russia moves into the Middle East, God Himself is going to intervene and utterly destroy that Russian invading army.
When that day takes place, the blindness that Israel has experienced will be over and they will recognize their God. In Ezekiel 39, God declared, "And in that day when I am sanctified before the nations of the world (that is, the day when He destroys the Russian army), then will I pour out my Spirit again upon the nation of Israel." Right now, God's Spirit is being poured out upon we Gentiles until the fullness of the Gentiles is come in, but as soon as that takes place, then God is going to deal with the nation of Israel. Blindness has happened to Israel in part until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, but then all of Israel shall be saved, because God is going to move by His Spirit again, and in a powerful way among the Gentile people; they are going to recognize.
They will come out of Zion the deliverer, and he shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: for this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sakes (Rom 11:26-28):
It is to your blessing and benefit because the gospel is come unto us and the Spirit of God bringing the truth of God.
as touching the election, there is still beloved for the father's sake (Rom 11:28).
God said, "I can't let you go." He will not let them go.
For the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance [or changing] (Rom 11:29).
God is not changing; He still loves these people.
For as you in times past have not believed God, yet now have obtained mercy through their unbelief: even so these also now not believing, that through your mercy they also obtain mercy. For God has included them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! and how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! (Rom 11:30-33)
So he is dealing with the sovereignty of God setting aside of Israel, the work of grace among the Gentiles, the wisdom, the knowledge, the ways of God past our finding out.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counselor? or who hath first given to him, and it has been recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen (Rom 11:34-36).
(Col 3:2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Thomas G. Schuckman <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: