Thursday, February 9, 2017

"Clip, or Magazine ?"

Tom's Journal.\

Hi  Friends, and Deep  Thinkers !
     You know what,  we all go through school and learn great things,  but I learned in college, that a child mainly learns his/ her "Good English,' or what ever language, from their MOTHER.   Simply because she is the adult on hand that is most often with the child.   See what I learned in college English ---  "Communication Principles  101."  
      And I am not trying to flaunt my education nor superior brain here at any time, plus I know that I still have a long way to go in life and learning.   And I also call different lady friends all the time for information about many things, how to do this and that, on cooking, sewing, common sense, opinions,  viewpoints, etc.   Yes,  I freely admit that there are MANY women who have a far superior mind and intellect than me, and I tell them so --- only the truth.   In fact I am now eating some left over beef stew prepared for me 3 days ago, but a sweet, kind, smart lady, that I used to know well.....  but I am not going with anyone right now,  but just a poor old, overweight , Disabled Soldier man, also retired from Chrysler, in Kenosha,  Wisconsin.   I also call my dear, old Mom, who lives about 4 hours' drive from where I live, just to hear her voice, and make sure she is OK, etc.  Mom suffers from Dementia and Alsziemers'  --- so I hope that calling her every other day stirs her cognitive  powers and keeps her mind active,  but I know that she is slipping at age  78.   Her father, Albert, who came to this country from Croatia, at age 13, without a penny, but sponsored by his brothers, already here in the USA, was said to be a Mathematical near genius, also did well in his life.   So, I know that I inherited SOME smarts.... LOL, which I passed on to my children.  
       But in the KJV Bible,  it's not very important on the day of our birth,  because at that beginning, we have accomplished nothing.   But what will he present to the Lord God, after he dies and has to settle all accounts with his Master in Heaven !  What did he do for the Lord ?   My main purpose of  being here and alive right now is to help direct other people to the Lord, Jesus Christ, thru the Gospel, and the bible, and I can say that I have already done a lot of that,  but need to do MORE !   If you read this humble blog,  I teach and show other people just HOW TO DO THAT.   I claim NO glory for myself ---- but give all glory to Father God, and allow the Holy Spirit to work in me and guide me. 

Now,  talking about learning and using your own national language in the correct manner,  I just like/ want to be RIGHT/  CORRECT, with my grammar, vocabulary, diction, sentence structure, so that the reader can gain something good from my blog posts, and maybe pass that Info, on !  And sometimes I even translate what I say, into another language.   I know how to find out just WHOM in the world, is reading my humble Blog.   Norway, is a country where more fine, honest, people, are starting to read my Blog, and that makes me feel good.   If only some of them would write back to me in English, so I could get a feel of what they think.   Do not be afraid, folks !   Smile.

So.... what is the difference between the two--2-- terms/ words:  Magazine,  and Clip,  regarding something that carries Ammunition into a rifle or pistol ? ?   Before you read the rest of this,  try to think what that difference is.   In the beginning, my friend,  Greg, from IL., was correct,  and I was wrong....  LOL.

Warm Regards,
Tommy Schuckman
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.45 ACP graphicFirearms Primer #1

Clips are not Magazines!

Don't expose yourself to ridicule as a gun goof by misusing terms

Clip: A device for holding cartridges together, usually to facilitate loading. Widely used as a synonym for "magazine" (although most firearm authorities consider this substandard usage). Technically, a magazine has a feeding spring, a clip does not.
Eagle 35-round magazine for a Sturm-Ruger Mini-14 So sayeth erudite gunzine writer and editor Jan Libourel in the Handgunner's Glossary, and he is, characteristically, being kind in his description of "sub­standard usage."

Magazines v. Clips cartoon One of the most misused terms in the firearms culture is "Clip." A "mag­a­zine" (shown at right) isn't a "clip," and a "clip" certainly isn't a "magazine."

It is amusing that writers who con­sider themselves knowledgeable or authoritative don't know the difference between the two, or are just plain sloppy in their copy. If called on their gaffe, they often fall back on "Well, everyone knows what was meant," or a plea to not be so pedantic.

What is especially distressing is when a company like venerable Marlin Firearms uses clips instead of magazines… there's no excuse for that, of course, but it doesn't stop them from selling a lot of guns.

Self-loading Firearms Clips

The only known "banana clip" in captivity A clip is different from a magazine and the terms are by no means interchangeable. Using "clip" when one means "magazine" is akin to saying "tires" when one actually means "wheels." If it does get the speaker immediately corrected, often unkindly, in newsgroups and on Forums, then such a malaprop marks the user as a hopeless newbie.

As Libourel has noted, in small arms terms magazine technically refers to a box, drum or tube with a spring inside to help feed the rounds. Magazines can be a fixed part of the weapon, or detachable. Most detachable magazines can be removed and replaced with a full one to reload the weapon, but there are guns such as the Lee Enfield where the magazine is only removed for cleaning, and is refilled by a different mechanism.

A magazine may therefore be defined as a container of ammo. A room full of shells on a battleship is a magazine, and so was the Parthenon when it was used as a powder store. If one has ever visited Colonial Williamsburg, Virginia, one of the restorations there is a building, a "magazine1," dating more than 200 years ago.

On the other hand, the ammo "clip" was introduced by Mannlicher in 1885 and provided a way to charge the magazine in the action. What so many fail to appreciate is that this type of "clip" also forms an integral part of the firearm's mechanism. If the rounds are not held in the "clip," the gun cannot proceed through the normal cycle of…
M1 Garand en bloc clip with eight rounds of .30-06 ball ammo
  • Chamber
  • Fire
  • Extract
  • Eject
This means that if a firearm is said to be "clip-loaded," it won't function with loose ammunition.

More reasons why the two terms should not be confused or interchanged is because the "clip" actually fits inside a magazine2. One of the most famous and widely used clip-fed weapons is John Garand's celebrated M1 rifle with which the United States went to war, 1941-45. It might be the popularity of this firearm which has caused so many Americans to confuse reloads with "clips." One may argue that a single round may be hand-loaded into the chamber of a Garand and fired, but the above definition still holds as the shooter is performing the loading part of the firing cycle instead of the en bloc clip.


7.63mm ammo and "stripper clips" A device that looks very much like a clip is the "charger," sometimes referred to as a "stripper-clip." It is a form of speedloader introduced by Paul Mauser in 1889. Both devices resemble a little rail that holds the rounds by the rim, but the difference is that the charger does not actually enter the magazine en toto, but fits into a guide above it so that the rounds can be pushed from the rail down into the magazine. Well-known examples of charger-loaded firearms include the…
  • Lee Enfield
  • Springfield 19033
  • SKS
  • Mauser C96 pistols4
If anyone is unsure whether a gun uses a charger or a clip, what is known in law enforcement circles as a "clue" is whether the device fits fully within a magazine or remains outside of it. Also, a charger-loaded firearm may be "charged" with loose ammunition. Another aspect of the charger is it may only hold a portion, a half or a third, of the gun's maximum magazine capacity, allowing the shooter to "top off" before he has shot the firearm empty.

AR15/M16 magazine and stripper clip - click on images to see how it's done. The "stripper clip" is an alternate term for Charger, "stripper" being added to distinguish it from true "clips." Some writers prefer to use "stripper" for a type of charger that is used to load magazines when they are not attached to the weapon. Either use is acceptable.

And just to thoroughly confuse matters, there are some genuine, blued-in-the-carbon-steel magazines for which "stripper-clips" are fashioned, per the image at left of an AR15/M16 magazine and a stripper-clip full of 5.56mm (.223 Remington) ammunition! And yes, the magazine is charged via the stripper-clip.

Got it? Good! Now we go to….

Revolver Clips

10mm and .45 ACP Full Moon Clips And then there's the stamped steel devices known as "moon clips," which come in several varieties:
  • Full Moon (pictured at right)
  • Half Moon
  • Third Moon (pictured below)
One-Third Moon Clip These differ somewhat from clips used in rifles in that their main function is to facilitate the ejection of the rounds rather than the feeding. Some revolvers chambered for rimless pistol cartridges have stepped cylinders in which unclipped ammo can be utilized, but these won't eject by the revolver's extraction mechanism. Examples of revolvers which uses "clips" are the Model 1917 and the S&W Model 625, both in .45 ACP, the S&W Model 610 in 10mm/.40 S&W, and the S&W Model 940 Centennial in 9 X 19mm.

Okay, now you know what a magazine is, what a clip is, and even what a "stripper-clip" is… how they work. Go now and sin no more.

But if it's still too much for you to grasp, just do what the 1994 Crime Bill did and call'em all "ammunition-feeding devices."
And Furthermore…

A clip is not a magazine, a mag is not a clip;
Neither is a grip a stock, and "stock" does not mean grip.
I do not mean to nitpick, but improvement could be seen,
If we could bring ourselves to say exactly what we mean.
by Dean Speir, formerly famous gunwriter.
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